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People have said to me, "You just have to have faith". “And it was interesting to see that once people moved on, some of that anger got released.”. Thomas Plante, Ph.D., ABPP, is a professor at Santa Clara University and an adjunct clinical professor of psychiatry at Stanford University. If you donate just $5.00, or whatever you can, Catholic Online could keep thriving for years. As to your diagnosis of the Roman Catholic Church's pedophile scandal it is evident enough that you haven't heard the other side of the story. I think the author should be locked in a closet for a couple days to think about what they've said, oh, i'm sorry that only happens in catholic school. So, your religion, your belief in God, is an escape from actuality, and therefore it is no religion at all. As far as the theological insight, this is a forum for psychological discussions (I have training in therapy and psychology though not a practicing therapist) and my comment is likely to be misunderstood. I wish I could. This is not to suggest that you are weak, but that your emotional and psychological injuries may be very severe. So what can a recovering Catholic use for a new route? The Church really isn't just what comes out of the Vatican or even Church leaders' offices. Only in religion do the inmates pity the escapees. Many Recovering Catholics hold a lot of anger and rage..a lot!. They served on the parish council or a committee, and then they go someplace else and are not encouraged or invited. As the Orthodox put it, quoting St. Isaac the Syrian: "The fires of hell are the fires of God's love." He begins by asking them to share positive stories about their experiences with the church. And it is not for missing Mass on Sunday. But local pastors can make a difference in the spiritual lives of Catholics who disagree with certain church teachings, even while affirming those teachings. A lot of people will say, "The way I was raised...."  However we were raised doesn't translate in what is right for you or anyone today. There is no harm in hoping for the best. DeVille. I know I'm probably just going to illustrate your point, but telling me to get over it feels really horrible. The real tragedy is that with this Pope such intolerance is coming out of the woodwork, like termites and carpenter ants. I know and have met plenty of recovering Catholics at Buddhist centres and retreats, including a former Catholic priest! The "unforgiveable sin" the "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" is the rejection of God's mercy and forgiveness. To pump a child full of this nonsense day after day using the most apocalyptic threats is absolutely abusive. (He was explaining his first impersonation / impression: James Cagney as a two-year-old.) Looking at vibrant parishes like Assumption in Brooklyn or Old St. Joseph’s in Philadelphia, it’s difficult to negate the role of a welcoming, pastoral priest in building a healthy faith community. People who are alienated are typically alienated by the actions of people who are not able to strike that balance.”. While serving as a full-time pastoral associate at St. Ignatius Loyola, a Jesuit parish in Manhattan’s Upper East Side, O’Connor saw attendance at one evening Mass triple to more than 300 attendees. “We don’t presume that gays and lesbians are sexually active or that persons in irregular marriages haven’t been reconciled in some internal forum,” Horak says. San Diego is now home to St. Mary Magdalene the Apostle Church, a parish led by Jane Via, who claims to be a Catholic priest but whose ordination ceremony was condemned by the Vatican and her local bishop. The Orthodox Churches have more faithfully preserved the correct notion of hell which, is only to say that certain actions cut one off from the eternal blessedness and perfection of God by virtue of their selfishness and imperfection. “It gets buried under a pseudo kind of orthodoxy.”. I genuinely believe the extent of abuses, hugely compounded and exacerbated by the prolonged denial by the Catholic Church of what has created appalling misery for many is being undermined in this article. Instead it is the self-created and totally unnecessary self-alienation from the source of all peace, joy and perfection. Copyright © 2020 US Catholic. The best I can do is remind myself that THIS may be IT. Threats and bullying are always the Church's remedy of last resort. This article appeared in the September 2006 (Volume 71, Number 9; pages 12-17) issue of U.S. Catholic. Moran has directed the program for four years and says one of the quotes that inspires him most comes from the book of Proverbs: “I, wisdom, dwell in experience.” He raises eyebrows when he asks returning Catholics, “What wisdom has God brought to you in this experience of being apart from the faith? The egg was a science demonstration of air pressure. The behavior of particular clergy (including Church leaders) doesn't represent the whole. 2. They may disagree with the church’s teachings on divorce, remarriage, homosexuality, or birth control. "But I said so" is not a good reason. Much of Carrano’s work with alienated Catholics is done outside the doors of his parish on Sundays. No decent human being would be nearly so cruel, yet we're supposed to believe that infinite love WOULD. St. Paul’s is considered an Anglo-Catholic parish, and as such Masses include all of the accoutrements Roman Catholics grew up with: stained glass windows, statues, candles, incense, and a communion rail that still serves its original purpose. You're right, everyone deserves peace and happiness. I was 11 years old when the Catholic Church told ME I was a 'mortal sinner'. The real scandal, is that this happened so late. ), If humans are to survive, they need to overcome thousands of years of conditioning. I do not believe in any organized religion. For me it was an egg and a rock. The parish of The Catholic Community of Fort Recovery welcomes you! In fact, you could write a book about you came to terms with the harm they did to you. One wants to be fair. So LIVE without fear and go for what you want out of life. So yes, recovering catholics have a lot of anger. As to your reiteration of your misunderstanding of the proper notion of hell (one obviously and regrettably imposed upon you by possibly invincibly ignorant Roman Catholics) I'll repeat that to the degree that God is conceived to be omnipotent and omniscient is the degree to which He is petty if the popular notion of hell is true. Dissent is punishable by excommunication, as happened to the board of a parish embroiled in a dispute with our local Archdiocese. I am sorry to say that Dr Plante's view of the Catholic Church is far too sanguine. Sorry, but get over it. Community bonds hold the church’s members together. That's how an atheist/agnostic can find happiness. 4. In other words, barring some kind of miraculous economic recovery, the Church, at least in the U.S., ain’t seen nothin’ yet. Pretty much puts an end to any form of happiness in childhood with all of that crap being thrown around. They bear the whips and scorns of secularists who defend a culture that is sacrificing their own daughters and sons for the sake of the pleasures they themselves want to "benefit" from. Get the help you need from a therapist near you–a FREE service from Psychology Today. I agree wholeheatedly that simply being angry at a religious perspective without finding that center within each of us that speaks/hears god/universe directly (without the need for a formal non-profit but money grubbing religious business acting as a substitute phone company) is actually a diminishment and detachement from our own deep spiritual connection to our higher selves and others. Well, I obviously don't believe these view today. A mind that escapes from the actual, from the facts of relationship, shall never find God; a mind that is agitated by belief shall not know truth. Though members of both communities still maintain friendships with each other, the break was painful. I'm going out on a limb with this blog post by suggesting to them...consider coming on back. Additionally, policies and procedure that come out of the Vatican may or may not sit well with you. Adam A.J. You tell us you've tried to say "screw it" and move on without success. Now—haters gonna hate (I know that’s not proper English. It’s a tender situation. The harshness of Catholic teaching, along with celibacy, is the primary cause of the widespread abuse among Catholic clergy. 100% Catholic. But of equal importance is the role of the parishioners—not only in contributing to quality liturgies, but in building friendships with new parishioners. Spirituality should come before dogma. First, you have only experienced a very small part of the Church, which is very, very large. It has taken me more time than some to arrive at the impasse that led to my finding the above article. There are only two kinds of Catholics: heretics and the faithful. “The church is not about a final product, it’s about holding people together. I have debated more recently, while Pope Benedict was still Pope, he idea that missing church on Sunday could be a mortal sin-with Catholics I met locally. What people who bemoan the teaching against masturbation etc. Psilocybin 2.0: Why Do We Have Reason to Believe? Via is a former member of the Catholic Community at UCSD, and when she started her parish two years ago, some of the adults who had been part of UCSD’s Catholic Community left to join her. They may have become fed up with a certain priest. Some are highly conservative while others are very liberal. I finally found a great PHD that used cognitive therapy and helped me to get rid of a lifetime of guilt. Her "conversion" to freethinker after many years as a lapsed Catholic has been liberating and she is proud to be associated with FFRF's battle to maintain separation of church and state. As Martin Luther King said, in is famous speech: "The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice." I agree with you that no such god could be called a god of love but at the same time a proper notion of hell wouldn't dispense with the serious possibility of a soul eternally closing themselve's off from the free love and mercy of God. This vision properly maintains the serious possibility of hell while not painting the ridiculous picture of a petty god ready and anxious to send one to everlasting torture. Sure, some have found their way to other religious or spiritual traditions. In certain cases non-Roman Catholic groups showed higher rates of pedophilia and rape charges. I have plenty myself and have heard many as a psychologist as well as an engaged Catholic. You can't have a 2,000 year old institution that currently includes over a billion members without plenty of challenging issues that are embarrassing, unflattering, and even horrific. No threats are necessary---just acceptance, kindness, and accurate information. The Church is a very big tent with over a billion members and with many different perspectives and people in it. 1. The goal of every encounter and interaction that one has with our organization is connection—connections with others who have struggled or still struggle from a similar state of hopelessness as well as connection to Jesus Christ, the Lord that delivers new life. “The joy of seeing them walk away feeling they had been heard made me promise myself that while in parish ministry, I would make a point of drawing out people who felt alienated.”. This is wrong. The guilt. He avoided describing any particular institution or religous body, instead portraying a principle of spiritual insight, which, if properly understood would address the situation in the Church today. Religious fundamentalists or Taliban Catholics, as they are sometimes called) are not really Christian, in my view. Psychology Today © 2020 Sussex Publishers, LLC, Research Suggests Coronavirus Causes a Storm in the Brain, Falling in Love With Someone You Shouldn’t, What to Do About Vaccine Hesitancy During COVID-19, Ex-Catholics have good reasons for staying away. Assuming the extramarital relationship is over, successfully recovering from an affair involves the following steps that usually require the support of a competent therapist to negotiate effectively. Although the Catholic Church has seen the light about the importance of small groups, some believe it could still take lessons from the success of "friends of Bill W.," as members of AA often refer to themselves. STD's, wedlock births, broken hearts and families and psychological damage are all avoided by disciplined and constant sexual continence and life long monogamous marriages. Our pastor, Rev. How can a person defend this sexual culture that plasters mothers, wives, daughters and sisters half naked all over the place in order to seduce one's own brothers, sons, husbands and fathers into lusting after them? In the two years after Harvey, the Disaster Recovery Program of Catholic Charities of the Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston served 22,221 people and continues to provide resources to households that have yet to return to pre-Harvey status. Lynn Neu, pastoral associate at the Catholic Community at the University of California, San Diego (UCSD), encounters very few alienated Catholics in her day to day work with young adults. Return to the Catholic Church, I don't think so. Father Peter Cullen, rector of St. Paul’s Episcopal Church in Brooklyn, sees firsthand the wisdom that people gain while outside the Roman Catholic Church. There is hope, in the long term. A change in air pressure inside a bottle (caused by a burning piece of paper) caused a hardboiled egg to be pushed into the bottle. I apparently cannot edit my comment so it appears necessary to clarify, for the sake of peace of mind. If the Church is claiming that one's righteousness is dependent on observance of the Law (the combination of Mosaic law and Church Canon law) it has FALLEN FROM GRACE. Welcome to the Catholic Community of Fort Recovery, Ohio. The self esteem that still isn't healthy and I don't know how to fix it. I bump into them constantly given the nature of my professional life. “Pastors need to be able to balance being a teacher and being with people where they are, moving people forward a bit. From their point of view, they are the only true believers. You maintain the family unit and respect choices people make even when it’s not what you’d like to see.”. What appears to you to be objectively the case and reasonable is (as you should have learned from the postmodernists) largely a historical and cultural phenomenon; one which by no means has the figures in its favors (just look at the increased rates of illegitimacy, divorce, crime etc.). Some parts of the family drive you crazy and some parts you just love. Most people donate because Catholic Online is useful. And I can hardly forget that I was 11 years old when the Church threatened ME with eternal torture because I was a normal child starting to grow up and have sexual feelings. I was an adult convert during Vatican II and at the time I came to priests for information or spiritual direction they were very helpful and the advice and information I received was anything like what I encounter from others online today. Each has their own charism and there is a great deal of variability within each subset of the Church as well. The Episcopal Church is also a more loving, accepting group. This multiple interpretation nonsense is extremely dangerous and misleading. “Ninety percent of disaffected Romans who come to St. Paul’s do not want to be Anglican, they want to be Roman,” says Cullen, adding that he, too, wants them to be Roman. As a sibling of a (now deceased) schizophrenic brother, having witnessed the chilling and horrific influence of deeply repressed Catholic attitudes as contributing factors in his non-recovery, I feel qualified to talk of this. We had so much invested in them. The author of the article tells us to get over it. What it lacks is the teaching and preaching on sexuality that turn many Roman Catholics away from their own church. Communicating church teaching often means striking a balance between affirming particular teachings and acknowledging the reality of parishioners’ experiences. As millions of Catholics have drifted from the church and then back to it, many have stepped forward to welcome them. Your comment is refreshing. As for Hell, it's said to be a state that lasts forever---infinite punishment for finite 'crimes'. Avoid the parts of the family that you don't want anything to do with. "Get over it" doesn't really help. “Teaching is an art—a work of art that is ongoing.”. So what can a recovering Catholic use for a new route? The damage can be repaired. Worst of all are the egregious cruelties of so much Catholic doctrine. When the pope walks in the robes of poverty that christ walked in and that the vatican is home to the true homeless of this world then i may come to reconsider christianity as a "true" religion and a community as christ intended .. until then I'm quite content to quietly have a direct relationship with god/universe and other similar souls .. Why do people have the urge to convince others to adopt their own little personal views? I do, of course, mean the Sacrament of Confession, but I also mean confession to the wounded spouse. They may be angry with changes that have or have not occurred since the Second Vatican Council. Another way to see this is the Gospel shows such shut out of the Kingdom of God at the Last Judgement. The good news is that alienated Catholics are likely to return to the church if they can somehow be reconciled.”. They often point to an experience or … “All of the people in the parish need to be on the lookout for people coming back to the parish or coming into the parish,” Neu says. Today I could not imagine a life without spiritual belief and connection and I am tolerant of all religiosity however I am also a clear advocate that when religion is used to shame, guilt, perpetrate, etc then we must all speak out loudly. Old St. Joseph’s, he adds, is perceived as being welcoming to those who feel alienated, and sometimes a “last step” for people considering leaving the church. It amazes and shocks me that this was still news to anyone in the North American Catholic community in the 21st century. Research supports this too. But the Catholic Church itself is in fact monolithic and totalitarian. “You move them slowly into a position of greater unity. But the mind that understands its relationship with property, with people, with ideas, the mind which no longer struggles with the problems which relationship creates, and for which the solution is not withdrawal but the understanding of love;such a mind alone can understand reality.". Interestingly enough one of the main reasons why I was motivated to convert to Roman Catholicism and now Eastern Orthodoxy is because they are practically the only groups of people widely condemning those personal actions that begin in the mind and heart and lead to all of the horrifying evils that people cause each other. But it is important not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. 1. But I think the point you are missing is that there are some things you should bear in mind, when you think about the Church. To me, it sounds like you've tried to get over it on your own, which may be as impossible as setting your own broken leg. 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